Species system

Alkur Tekeil · Post by **Alkur Tekeil** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:50 pm

A clan voice? I've seen about 5-6 people discuss this, none of whom are councilors. I would think we'd need input from Soh first too.

Yrael Grekkis · Post by **Yrael Grekkis** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:37 pm

Is it even a system yet? *haha* It's still an idea right now, or.. were you suggesting voting on the idea of the system? I dunno.

I don't remember putting in my 2 cents, but. I like the idea, with a few alterations.

Arikakon Genkal · Post by **Arikakon Genkal** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:42 pm

Roffle, this thread is getting weird...

How about instead of HP/FP differences, we just implement different specializations? Just things like underwater breathing, XP gain (don't even need a special .dat file for that), FP availability, etc.

Nivek Tholmai · Post by **Nivek Tholmai** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:43 pm

I think the differences between the races are being exagerated by the readers. And I'll say all this has again just added my confidence in Gabe's idea. So I think the only thing that is going to explain it properly is an actual chart of some description showing the differences between all the species.

We've all got our characters no one can change to get any "benefits" even if there were going to be any that extreme, the changes to fp/hp in comparison to the default settings of jka would be tiny (Yes, way back default settings had to be used OMG), in fact things would actually be FAIRER if you're bothered about loosing spars. Wookiee lightsaber swing and wookiee punch to the face are two different things y'know? (Gabe had suggested MELEE strength if I read correctly, which refers to punching/kicking, not saber skill)

And if you want to be a Jedi Healer, Consular, Bar Droid, Muscian, Actor, Clown, Pet, maniac, n00b w/e just RP it rather than relying on something (invisible settings or some word on your template -.-) to do it for you.

/rpsupport Gabe's Idea

Vantus · Post by **Vantus** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:05 pm

If changes will so insignificant and un-noticable and have no impact on the game whatsoever.... Why do em?

Aayla Vigil · Post by **Aayla Vigil** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:17 pm

For how silly it may sound to those who don't like it...
I'm with Gabe on this topic.

Guardian / Sentinel / Consular are only ways of being a Jedi.
A jedi who has been focusing mostly on lightsaber arts, will surely be a guardian jedi, regardless the amount of HP/force regeneration time.
Same goes for Sentinel, who kept their career balanced between lightsaber arts and force theory/practice, and Consulars, who devoted their life to increase their knowledge of the force and their capability to use it.

Soh was so kind to implent these three class, so that they became more 'official' for JEDI, and easier to acknowledge by everyone.
However, it would be silly in any case to see a Guardian excelling on force theory more than lightsaber arts, and the opposite for a Consular.
So we come to state that these 3 classes are more of 'behaviour classes' than practically HP/FP/FRT quantity.

Meanwhile HP/FP/FRT quantity would be reasonably variable for person to person (ie. Rash, who has some beast body, would certainly have higher HP than a feeble but nimble Jedi Guardian), Species are a matter of facts.

It is well known that Wookies have huge stamina compared to humans.
It is also well known that Ithorians have an easier approach towards force abilities, BUT suffer on physical strength and stamina, in fact ithorians are mostly a peaceful specie.

Wookies and Ithorians are the two edges of a scale of course, humans would be more or less in the middle in this case.

However, if we want to be completely honest, we should better state that an objective difference is more reasonable between two Jedi of different specie, than two Jedi of different behaviour...
(Nivek could be the strongest man in the galaxy, but he wouldn't use his strength as he prefers diplomacy and force powers)

In definitive, the choice is not of anyone actually, but of Soh, as it is his mod after all, let's not forget it.

We can only enrich this topic with purposeful comments, so let's stick to this

Gabe Alkorda · Post by **Gabe Alkorda** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:10 pm

I think I just fell in love with Aayla.

But yeah, the "Suggestions" board isn't for us to decide what gets implemented and what doesn't, that is up to the Council and Soh. It's for us to suggest stuff. SO, I would ask that any further discussion on this *EXCELLENT*

idea include ideas on how to make it better, things to be added, differences between species, etc etc etc.

Vantus · Post by **Vantus** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:05 pm

You're theory about Class difference is true Aayla. A Guardian like rash would have far more strength and HP than a more speed-orientated Guardian like Vantus.

But the same rule applies to species also. You're Species/Race does not also dictate these attributes.

I'd like to pit Chris Rock up with the likes of Arnold Schwarzenegger. Not just because I want to see Chris Rock get his face panned in but because both are HUMAN yet of completely different physical builds.

You can't generalize a character's abilities by their race. at least with the Ranks we currently have, there is a choice to fine-tune how your character is to your liking rather by simply being stuck with whatever piece of cake you get handed.

Gabe Alkorda wrote: SO, I would ask that any further discussion on this *EXCELLENT* idea include ideas on how to make it better, things to be added, differences between species, etc etc etc.

I understand and I really don't enjoy bringing so many negative comments to this board but a suggestion is still a suggestion and people should voice the reaons as to why they DO or DON'T think the suggestion is a benefit to JEDI.

Let's not just presume the suggestion will go ahead any more than than we should presume it will not.
As Aayla said, Soh's got the final word!

Speaking of which.... Where is Soh during all this?

Gabe Alkorda · Post by **Gabe Alkorda** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:32 pm

He's off implementing it

Vantus · Post by **Vantus** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:42 pm

Gabe Alkorda wrote:He's off implementing it

*screams*

Corinth Alkorda · Post by **Corinth Alkorda** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:56 pm

What I'd REALLY like to do:

Add the ability to alter your health and force pool with XP, just as you do for other powers. In my opinion, this would perfect a species system. You'd have the base abilities and weaknesses of your species, and still be free to customize your character however you wish. That's the whole point of a species system. You'd be much more free to create your character as you would have him/her.

Ommar · Post by **Ommar** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:11 pm

Very nice idea, Corinth.

Gabe Alkorda · Post by **Gabe Alkorda** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:12 pm

Ooooooo I like that a *lot*

And I was joking about Soh implementing it, btw, just incase the sarcasm wasn't accurately portrayed.

Kael Sekura · Post by **Kael Sekura** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:15 pm

Hmm, guess that would be our happy medium? lol It would need to be monitored closely but eh, I like that. Go-Corinth!

This is about the time where Soh steps in and says, "Sorry boy-o's. Can't be done." Because that's how Soh talks... by the way...

Moza Ferorn · Post by **Moza Ferorn** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:19 pm

Kael Sekura wrote:Hmm, guess that would be our happy medium? lol It would need to be monitored closely but eh, I like that. Go-Corinth!

This is about the time where Soh steps in and says, "Sorry boy-o's. Can't be done." Because that's how Soh talks... by the way...

I dunno if I like having less health than I have now. That will get me lolpwneded on missions. I cannot unleash the Force (no pun intended) like Gabe or others can. So protecting myself realisticly ICly with a low hp pool might be hard.

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